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Reality gets very grim and you lose hope in others when you see people who you thought otherwise reasonable defending this.

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Perfect is the enemy of good. This is acceptable collateral damage. The number is surprisingly low. I've seen so many bullshit justifications like these.


At this point, I can’t think of anything else than these people are completely brainwashed, repeating bits from their propaganda. It’s completely impossible to reason with them.

LocalSend works really well across platforms in a LAN, no uploading to some server required.


These days I just go to Sam's Club.

Hear me out.

It's right next to Costco, literally in the same mall.

Products are kind of shittier but they're good enough. But good enough is better for me because the rest of the experience is just better.

Walking through Sam's Club is often a breeze whereas through Costco I waddle like a penguin sandwiched between a waddle of penguins, each competing for enough space and quiet and mental clarity to score a good purchase.

It can be panic inducing.

At Sam's Club I don't even walk to a cash register. I pay with my phone and I'm out.

They don't even ask me to show my ID at the door.


Do they even have Sam's Club in the PNW? I've never seen one.

But even if they did, no way am I shopping at Sam's Club for the same reason that I'm never shopping at its parent company, Walmart. Walmart arguably did more to destroy small town America than any other company, and it also treats retail employees like shit. On the other hand, Costco is one of the best places to work as a retail employee (which is why they have so little turnover).


Not shopping at Sam's Club because its parent company destroys small town America is a perfectly reasonable sociopolitical stance so I respect it. Bravo.

But if you're still shopping at Costco then you don't really care about the effects that these big box stores have on small town economies.

You're just into performative activism.

But Costco does have better working conditions so I'll give you that.


>Not shopping at Sam's Club because its parent company destroys small town America is a perfectly reasonable sociopolitical stance so I respect it. Bravo.

Not saying you specifically, but it drives me up the wall that the same people who complain big business bad have so much overlap with the people who champion government policy that makes it so only the big businesses that can amortize the fixed costs of doing business over absurd quantities can exist competitively.


Which gov policy is that?


> But if you're still shopping at Costco then you don't really care about the effects that these big box stores have on small town economies.

Costco operates quite differently from Walmart and therefore does not have the same effect as Walmart.

Walmart carries a much much larger selection (~150K SKUs at a SuperCenter vs ~4K SKUs at a Costco) and therefore competes with local grocery stores and pretty much any local store that carry just about everything needed for day-to-day living.

Costco aims at a much narrower demographic, and is designed for bulk buying, which most people don't do, or might only do for a few items. That's why, though its prices might be lower than a local grocery, it doesn't necessarily put the grocery store out of business.

It did not, and does not, target small towns the way Walmart did (doesn't do it anymore much because all the small businesses are gone now).

Also, Costco has a much smaller footprint across in the US -- about 600 stores vs ~4600 Walmart.

> You're just into performative activism.

No. While I'd like to do my shopping at small local stores out of principle, and I do where I have a choice, most don't exist anymore, and I can't resurrect them. Even the small "local" grocery that I do shop at, it turns out (I found out quite by accident on Wikipedia) is now owned by some larger company. That means instead of the "best" options, I have to choose the "least worst" options.


Costco doesn't have any stores near small town economies...

Walmart does, and it achieved its dominance by deliberately targeting and destroying small town America economies.


So if I see a drone I just drop my rifle and give it the middle finger and wait for it to go away and then resume when it's gone?


People defending their homeland hate this one trick!


AI's killer app is "marketing". Bots are incredibly useful for selling items, services, and politics, and AI makes the bots indistinguishable from real people to most people most of the time. It's highly effective so I don't see that market shrinking any time soon.


Life expectancy in Latin America ranges from 65 in Bolivia to 80 in Chile and the cuisines, genetics, cultures, and socioeconomic circumstances vary greatly from region to region so it's not very useful to generalize latino people into one cohesive group with regards to diet and life expectancy.


At the time of writing this comment, we've got:

1 person talking about how they wish react native didn't exist

1 person asking about Capacitor

1 person complaining about Expo

1 person saying that they wouldn't use react native and recommending Kotlin Multiplatform instead

1 person complaining about the quality of the discussion (Me)

0 people talking about the new architecture

I still love Hacker News but the discussions are becoming increasingly pointless.

All that's missing is:

1 person complaining about the style in which the article was written


You forget:

1 person complaining about the amount of JavaScript loaded just to display this one article


Should we also complain at the amount of bootstrapping your OS had to do before your browser could show said site?


Yes, absolutely. Just because it's been hidden behind decades of advances in CPU and storage technology doesn't mean it's not incredibly wasteful.


Explain to me why rendering html in javascript in wasteful? GNOME and Edge does the exact same thing for ther shells.


The site doesn't even load at all now (lol)


Such comments should really be directed at dang who keeps maintaining that there’s no data point to think that the state of discussions are declining.

One way to address this might be to compute some relevance metrics using embeddings (they’re the new hotness after all) and downrank low relevance discussions. I assume it’d be especially effective for the “ads and JavaScript” discussions.


>> keeps maintaining that there’s no data point to think that the state of discussions are declining.

I would simply say a lot of contrarian viewpoints, regardless of merit, are downvoted into oblivion. Once you get hammered on something you simply had a different viewpoint on? Users tend to stop commenting for fear of reprisals. Your "karma" on here is not easy to obtain so when people downvote you simply for a differing opinion, it makes it less likely they will wade into a discussion again and find themselves on the wrong side of some Hacker News diva having a bad day.

This means you have a lot of people (like myself) simply opting out of a lot of discussions because if you're not on the right side, your comment will get downvoted immediately. There is no data point on people like myself, so there's no way to tell people that the quality on HN is declining, everything is just fine and normal when in reality, you have a lot of users who aren't engaging for fear of getting downvoted into oblivion.


> Your "karma" on here is not easy to obtain so when people downvote you simply for a differing opinion, it makes it less likely they will wade into a discussion again and find themselves on the wrong side of some Hacker News diva having a bad day.

Why do fake internet points matter so much? Yes, karma is difficult to attain, but it also does (almost) nothing other than indicate how active a person is here.

> This means you have a lot of people (like myself) simply opting out of a lot of discussions because if you're not on the right side, your comment will get downvoted immediately.

In short, so what? Does it really matter if one thing you said one time gets downvoted? We're all (supposed to be) adults here. All that happens is fewer people read your comment. Big whoop.


It's not about the points. It's about knowing that writing a comment on a topic is a pointless endeavor, so you withhold. HN, like all communities, has topics that you learn to generally avoid interacting with because the community opinion is so strongly engrained. Going against the community opinion is akin to pushing boulders by hand. Sure, you might make it move once in a while, but do you really want to put in the effort?


You can say it shouldn't matter, but it looks like on every social media platform and for most people, they do care about these things.


>but the discussions are becoming increasingly pointless

And hostile.

Point out that someone is wrong (even with hard evidence at hand) and people will still try to push their deluded conclusions nonetheless.

Same thing for expressing an opinion outside what the hivemind deems acceptable.

Btw, I think this phenomenon is a widespread cultural thing, not HN specific. Happens irl so much that it is now almost impossible to have an actual conversation with anybody.

Meanwhile, solitude and suicides are skyrocketing and people do not see the correlation ...


I've seen what you're describing and it worries me deeply.

I think it's a combination of:

1. Ragebait being so useful at generating engagement that it's become a standard form of human interaction

2. The Internet making people feel safe from physical repercussions which makes people feel comfortable with treating others badly

3. Internet communities quickly becoming echo chambers where you're forced to pick a side if you want a sense of belonging

So we've been programmed and manipulated to be angry, to be tribal, and to act without fear of retaliation, and all for what? For ads and followers.


Oh man, this is a very interesting take.

Indeed, it is definitely the case that this kind of behavior/content gets amplified. When you log in, in some sense, any reality could be crafted just for you, for good or for bad. The overwhelming majority of people are vulnerable to this. What they see == what they think it's real, me included, btw.

I once read an article about how the vast majority of dating now begins through an online interaction (say , Tinder), and how also the vast majority of these apps are controlled by 2-3 companies. Think about the massive power they have over everyone else's lives. You want to encourage interracial relationships? Suppress matches within the same race and encourage matches outside of it. (And the opposite could be done, I'm not making a political statement here). These people have the power to completely change the demographic landscape of a country in a couple decades(!). They should be heavily regulated, but far from it, no one is even aware of this.

It will only get worse with "AI", unfortunately.


It's funny too, because what New Architecture allows (direct access to native interfaces) could solve a lot of the problems with having to fight external dependency hell - you can now write your own, so there's no excuses.

But, somehow devs _still_ expect a 100% perfect DX while maintaining the ability to publish to mind-boggling different targets such as iOS, Android, and Web

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Reddit does a lot better of job bringing good relevant comments to the top.


I strongly disagree, Reddit brings the most engaging comment to the top, which is usually funny or ironic, but rarely informative.

Congrats on being the person comparing HN to Reddit.


It really depends. I guess on more specific subs, sure. Like if this was posted on the react or react native sub.

If this was on programming or even web dev you'd just see "react bad" or "embedding a browser for an app is blablabla" (when react native doesn't even do that)


Reddit has a lower barrier to entry, which will invite lower quality comments. Sadly product officers are starting to flow into HN and other people with no programming experience, so the quality of comments are as such. If there was a fizzbuzz challenge to sign up, i'd bet the comments would not consist of such nonsense.


This is extremely elitist and reductionist. Plenty of the best comments/discussions on HN come from non-programmers. Personally, I like that people from various backgrounds come together like this as it tends to provoke more interesting discussion and makes HN less of an echo chamber than Reddit.


And you are complaining about the complaining. Great work.

EDIT: I’ve added to the problem which is ironic and just missed the delete button.


That's literally point #5 of my comment. Didn't you read it?


Congrats. You added nothing to the discussion.


You're not being clever. You're just being argumentative.


I was pointing out the needlessness of your original comment. Why post it in the first place....


I can confirm.


All of those problems discouraged me from going to the movie theater but the issue that got me to quit going to movie theaters completely is increased volume without increased noise dampening. Thanks to the much advertised upgrades to the sound systems of the theaters you will hear your movie and the movie next to you. You'll hear the dialogue of your movie with a background of superhero explosions and revving car engines.

And no, there are no other movie theater chains available. And no, going to a matinee doesn't solve these problems. And there is no solution to these problems because they've become normalized so people will rush to defend them.


Food and medicine get in because they're exempt from the embargo and because the embargo doesn't stop Cuba from engaging in commerce with other countries. Cuba imports 80% of its food and the US is one of its largest suppliers.


To say that the embargo doesn't affect food or medicine supplies severely and have a huge impact on Cuba's commerce with other countries is simply incorrect.

https://www.wola.org/sites/default/files/downloadable/Cuba/p...

Dated, but still relevant: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8942780/


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