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You've been here long enough to understand that would exceed the title character limit.

I just tested it. Copied&pasted the original title into submit form.

Nope. Right within the limit.


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"You are factually incorrect" is not moving the goalposts.

Shifting to a completely unrelated argument is moving the goalposts because you can't stand to be wrong.


etiam's right that "in Israel and possibly other middle east countries" wouldn't fit onto the HN title, which is relevant to raincole's clickbait accusation. The original Github issue title fits, but that doesn't specify "Valve" or the timeframe.

Not that it'd be particularly hard to reword to fit all information. Feel like things are getting unnecessarily agitated ("You've been here long enough to understand", "you can't stand to be wrong", "Bro was never more glad there's anonymity on the internet", etc.) for no real reason.


I can only assume that mob of fresh accounts is sockpuppets meant precisely for trying to stir up conflict and detract from discussion of the actual topics raised by a story like this. Sorry if I accidentally gave them opportunity for more oxygen than necessary.

Your hostility isn't helping things either. "You've been here long enough to understand" followed by an incorrect usage of "goal post moving" makes you look like an agitator.

It's so funny when people come up with these arguments so confidently and then seeing them getting disproved so quick. Bro was never more glad there's anonymity on the internet

Your comment reads like a tweet. But I agree with you!

Not denying they're getting great leverage from that. I still don't quite understand why the shortcut is supposedly so irreplaceable.

Perhaps because modern economies are allergic to long-term planning.

Perhaps. And seemingly also a bit even to short-term reactive adaptation?

It is not irreplaceable - you can avoid it as a shipping route and take a longer route. It's just more costly because it is a long route. Which means higher oil prices, which is universally unpopular everywhere with the citizens. (In oil-importing economies, oil prices have a rippling effect as any increase in oil prices increases the transportation cost of goods there by resulting in price increases of all such goods).

That's pretty much what I've been thinking. Maybe I'm underestimating how much more expensive, but it seems for most of those ships if they'd got going on an alternative route instead of crowding around the peninsula they'd be arriving soon. For all I know the goods they're carrying may already have been sold at a rate assuming the cheap freight of course...

Many people got something of a head start adapting though? Seems like it's been the proposition from "social" "media" companies since 2004 or so to stop talking to friends, talking to their computers instead and consuming the half-digest of friend's transmissions mixed with ads/psyops coming in?

I can sort of appreciate these shenanigans as short-lived common room humor, but I find it obnoxious to put it in the official terminology.

It's bad enough all the corporations trying to steal perfectly active words for their brand names or products.


Then you either really haven't tried very hard to notice them or have been in an academic environment with severe defects.

Does college even work for future economic prospects, by the way?


> Then you either really haven't tried very hard to notice them or have been in an academic environment with severe defects.

Sure. (?)

> Does college even work for future economic prospects, by the way?

Where I live, a college degree is a legal requirement for a lot of professions that pay more than entry level jobs (although not all of them). So, people go to college to get a better paying job in a few years than they could get by immediately entering the workforce.


> Sure. (?)

Most of the universities I've been in have had well above the occasional one. I'm certainly not saying that has to be true everywhere, but for academic level studies it's pretty sad if the fraction is zero.

> Where I live, a college degree is a legal requirement for a lot of professions that pay more than entry level jobs (although not all of them). So, people go to college to get a better paying job in a few years than they could get by immediately entering the workforce.

Fair enough, and I guess we have that here too, with a hard requirement for certain jobs as a proper lawyer or psychotherapist, and soft but compelling requirement for stuff like real estate agent or investment banker. Most college degrees are a dead loss economically compared to starting work immediately in a craft profession with high demand, such as plumber or welder, which is the reason I question the motivation. But not everyone has the capacity for learning skills like that I guess, and it's nice if there are still places that are still willing to pay well for academics.


> Most college degrees are a dead loss economically compared to starting work immediately in a craft profession with high demand, such as plumber or welder, which is the reason I question the motivation.

I think then the core difference could be in the places we live. Here, it's common for government jobs to require a college degree. Some of those do not require a specific degree, as the position itself doesn't need it, but you still need a degree to apply.

It's also common for pay grades to be tied to how far one went academically (graduate, masters, doctors, etc.). Again, speaking strictly about government jobs, which are a non-trivial part of the economy here.

> Most of the universities I've been in have had well above the occasional one. I'm certainly not saying that has to be true everywhere, but for academic level studies it's pretty sad if the fraction is zero.

That's fair and I believe you. I worded my post in the first person to make it clear I was talking about people I met, and others' experiences may be different.


Thanks for the insights.

I'd say there are a fair bit of elements of that sort of gating for government jobs here as well actually, but here that's not so important for earning prospects since they're mostly not all that well paid (exception for C-suite and equivalents, but my impression is those are almosts always awarded more on the basis of contacts and CV achievements).

Sorry if my objection came across as overly antagonistic, but what I was trying get across is precisely that while your experiences are unassailable as your experience, it may not be very representative of what's out there.

I wonder whether the guy who botted the profitability question (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48428763) could do genuine interest too, or is that inaccessible for examination over the Internet...


> Sorry if my objection came across as overly antagonistic

Apologies accepted, no worries.

> while your experiences are unassailable as your experience, it may not be very representative of what's out there.

Of course. I try to speak in the first person when talking about my experiences, as a way to make that point (that they may not be representative of what's out there) more explicit.


It's easy to fool oneself into thinking one knows the subject because somebody explained it well / demonstrated skills, and it made perfect sense.

Unfortunately that, on its own, very much does not translate to being able to explain it all oneself, or to having the skills.

Ease and norms of outsourcing to software invites and amplifies this trap, I think.


Three Ways to Get Paid (2018) (jasonzweig.com)

is over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48373054


... at any given moment.


Bundibugyo (as you are probably actually aware, but others might not be).

It does sound like such a caricature I can see the temptation to be flippant about it though.


He was presumably also not constructing a powered exoskeleton of from fictional materials or a physically implausible power source, but since you obviously caught the reference, how about some benevolent interpretation instead, for a decent shorthand about working smoothly with AI assistance.

(And on a personal note, I'm glad we don't have a publicly released Jarvis before we get our act together about the use.)


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