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It is partly located in the EU and primarily funded by European countries

FLUX by Black Forrest Labs would disagree there and it is built right in Germany.

European countries have higher freedom of press than the US. Bearing arms is not a human right in Europe, different culture.

Europe has more human rights protections than the US and stronger enforcement of them, even against the state, by many metrics. Freedom of expression ends where other human rights begin, is protecting hate speech and Holocaust denial really something worthwhile?


So are you claiming that human rights are subjective and not universal? Or that it's acceptable for the EU to violate human rights if the USA is worse in some ways?

Belarus is a European country. How is freedom of the press doing there?


I don’t know why you think the American definition of human rights is universal?

It is. Look at the freedom of press index for example. And as the US doesn’t accept foreign courts, there is not really a legal apparatus against the state outside of the US, which many European countries do have.

Belarus is not part of the EU, nor did it sign many of the international human rights


I don't know why you think the EU definition of human rights matters at all?

The comment I responded to was about Europe. Belarus is part of Europe. As are Serbia, Moldova, etc.


It does matter, for example for all countries that signed the ECHR. And most European countries even have more rights guaranteed by the state and by EU.

You are trying to move goalposts instead of trying to counter my arguments


It's doing fine

Bullshit. The AI Act is not the problem, Mistral models are definitely usable and some were/are competitive.

European future looks bright compared to the political landscape the US has now


Political landscape of the US right now will change in few years like it has been changing for the last 250 years. USA does not equate to its current political situation. But EU would keep on rotting from inside and I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

It’s an interesting contrast that you claim that the USA does not equate to its current political situation, whereas conversely the EU is ‘rotting’ from the inside. Do you think this is a balanced and reasonable claim?

it is a reasonable claim. Trump would be gone in few years and the constitution guarantees it. What does EU has? more bureaucrats? EU doesn't even has a constitution and yet it interfere with the politics of sovereign nations till they bend the knee to Brussels

There is a constant change in politicians and parties and views among people (hello 2022!) about policy topics inside the EU all the time. Do you seriously think politics in the EU stays the same?

It absolutely has. It's always more regulation, more bureaucracy and more red tapes. They are just creating more barriers to keep themselves employed and to expand the reach of their authority.

Actually right now the reverse is happening. GDPR will become easier there is simplification coming, there will be less national goldplating

They have been discussing that for years, but still nothing happened. At the rate of the bureaucracy it would take few more years to even draft the laws to ease GDPR

You are not up to date, this is already in legislation process and needs the vote of the parlaiment, highly likely it will come. There is also a simplification package and a migration pact. A lot is happening right now

Can you share your sources please? When is the vote scheduled?


> I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

Hope you're hungry. The Mistral are going to what most great European companies are good at - regulatory arbitrage. They're going to insert themselves everywhere within EU (French govt, etc) and extract value that way whilst delivering subpar services to what open weight Chinese models can deliver. Honestly they'll probably be profitable before most other AI providers are simply because there's very little pressure to improve models.


It could be true that French government might use it, but I hardly think Germans or Italians or any other government would trust Mistral or use it. Even though they are part of EU, they still don’t trust each other completely when it comes to national security and sharing intelligence. I can easily imagine BND fine tuning some Chinese model or still relying on American models

There will always be a place for domestically sourced AI I think. Even if Mistral models suck theyll get enough defense revenue that they wont go out of business

Sums up EU in a nutshell, if it cannot compete in the open market, fund it by tax payers money (defence budgets are funded by tax payers money)

They do in many other areas. Look at ASML or look at chemicals

I mean US is doing the same thing with intel so not like this is EU exclusive

You cannot be seriously comparing Mistral to Intel. Intel might be falling behind right now, but they were pioneers in 90s and 2000s. When has Mistral ever been a pioneer on anything?

Actually at MoE. Though Deepseek took that approach and improved it by a lot.

Do you think that companies and States will use "usable" models from Mistral (who has left the race anyway), or frontiers/near frontier ? It's akin to say that walking a good enough means of transportation and we don't need anything else. One day the guys in charriots will remind you of the dire reality.

I am not denying Mistral is not top tier anymore, (except OCR and STT for speed/efficency) just that the AI Act is not the reason they are not.

But we will see, they have very interesting Enterpise Use Cases, like with Mistral Forge.

And YannLeCun decided to build in Europe as well


> And YannLeCun decided to build in Europe as well

AMI has offices across the world. Fact is, companies often have at least an office where the CEO lives. Same when Musk kicked up a stink about 'leaving California'. It wasn't really anything of substance.


Yes but you can make the reverse argument as well: many US companies have offices in Europe and often their research departments.

This whole US vs Europe discussions are fruitless anyways


Yes they do. twitter followed way less requests than X does


There is great cinema today, sadly a lot of great movies lack proper distribution. Go to film festivals, the quality of movies is only increasing


Fun fact: the parties that want this are actually those who criticise the EU the most


Yes well, they're running out of good arguments to show how bad the EU is, so they have to force some bad decisions through so that they may have something to cry about.

God I love politics


Not true. In the UK, the only party that would repeal the heinous “Online Safety Act” are Reform UK, which is headed by notorious Euroskeptic MP Nigel Farage.


"would"


The party that wants this the most is EPP - you can't be more pro-EU than that.


Not really. Looking at Polish MPs for example, there's no clear pattern, rather a "healthy" mix from all parties with some random selection of opposing ones.


No wonder right wing parties are on the rise, sponsored by Russia.


It is sad how so many tech people try to avoid every form of social contact and even try to build a society around it (just look at meta)


Say what? Technology has been awesome, it pretty much eliminates the risk in social interactions. With Internet, you are not forced to be part of a community you have no interest in and who do not like you anyway because of your interests, but you can choose and pick your own community. And the same goes for dating apps, they help completely derisk the initial approach and as pointed out elsewhere in this thread, risk of being seen as a creep.


It's been profitable for them. I hate it, but I can't blame them. They sacrificed their social lives studying for years to get to that point.


Is this an ad? Seems like it. The text is not really what the headline suggests.


Do you think the submitter intended this as an ad? His post history doesn't seem suspicious.

Or do you think article's author wrote this an an ad? He's a reputable academic who seems impressed with an AI tool he used and is honestly sharing his thoughts.

For reference he published the 80 page inflation mini-book 2 weeks ago asking for feedback: https://www.grumpy-economist.com/p/inflation


> Or do you think article's author wrote this an an ad? He's a reputable academic who seems impressed with an AI tool he used and is honestly sharing his thoughts.

Ghuntley used to be reputable on here, then the crypto money looked too juicy.


Are you seriously comparing a random hacker to a lifelong academic for their odds of becoming a crypto shill?


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