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The reality is that expensive electricity in the EU is by design. The EU ETS imposes heavy taxes on fossil fuels (and they are set to increase even more), which in turn causes the price of electricity to rise. Fully renewable electricity generation is still a long way off, so this will continue for a long time. But it is entirely a self-imposed political problem and could easily be fixed by getting rid of the EU ETS or capping the price of emissions at a more reasonable level.

Yeah, crippling Europe in the long term for short term gain might not be the best idea - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/apr/15/critical...

It's for long term gain. Energy independence, combating climate change which will cost more to mitigate than the energy costs.

why would you do that

It seems many markets have punitive pricing on electricity, california being one egregious example.

In most places, if you buy more of something, you are a good customer, it is usually more economical to sell to you and you get a discount.

In california people who use more kilowatts, pay more.


Punitive pricing is a great thing.

The less energy you spend to deliver value, the better for everyone.


I can think of many many examples of using electricity as a greater value to society than not using it.

You misread my comment.

If someone can deliver the same greater value to society using less electricity than you, they should be rewarded.


there's a third party repo called rpmfusion for that

It's usually so much more expensive than an air source heat pump that makes it completely not worth it.

That depends on climate. The longer and colder your winters are, the more you benefit from the reliable efficiency of a ground source. Ground source heat pumps have been the most common choice for heating new single-family homes in Finland for the last ~20 years.

Installation is probably relatively cheaper there due to volume too. In areas where it is less common, there is less competition and fewer options for competent installers.

True but even then there are other criteria too: as I plan to sell the house in 10 years, the extra cost for drilling simply didn't make economical sense (to me). So the "regular" pump had to do, and does it fine.

There is barely any people living in those latitudes. In Lithuania last 10 years air to water pumps completely took over.

Now you also need consent to drill making it much too difficult.


Yeah, recently saw some numbers for air-to-air vs air-to-groundwater, and it break even after more than 25 years, with more than twice the initial cost

> more than twice the initial cost

Here in Norway you can get a decent air-to-air minisplit installed for $2k. I've not heard of anyone who paid less than 10x that for an air-to-ground or water-to-ground system, drilling 500-1000 feet is expensive.


Sorry, I actually meant air-water vs. water-water for my comment, makes less sense this way...

What were the figures and where are you?

There’s no way the system is designed to last 25 years though?

The well that you drill will last a 100 years if you don't have bad luck. That is half the cost of installation.

The water/water heatpump unit in my house is 20 years old and has not had any major failures yet. I hope it will run for another ten years before the compressor gives up, but it is indeed approaching its calculated technical lifespan. I estimate it will set me back €10k to have it replaced.

Air/air is the cheaper option over time, even in most of Scandinavia with coldish winters. The main drawback of air/air systems are that they are loud and ugly and therefore annoy both yourself and your neighbours.


Yeah, not worth it in most cases, but when things line up, it is the best.

I've built 3 houses and got a bid on ground source heat for each one. I finally pulled the trigger on the 3rd house because we:

1) Moved where it was quite a bit colder, -20F for a week is common. 2) We have enough land to trench only 6'/2m deep to bury the loops instead of drilling like we would have needed to do on the first 2 houses. 3) There was a tax credit on it 4) No equipment exposed outside

Absolutely love it and it will make it difficult to move away when we want to down size b/c we'll pay more in utilities for half the space.

We also have some air-source on an addition I built, I'd use it anywhere that was slightly warmer than where I'm at.


Air-source heat pumps give their worst performance when you need heat the most. Ground source doesn't vary year-round.

Bingo. Literally abandonded in Lithuania, air to air is so much cheaper. Some builders even ditch hp altogheter - basic electric underfloor heating + solar panels is so much cheaper.

I'm in New Zealand and my bedroom heater is $20 electric + $20 smart plug + $10 temperature sensor. Winter bill is ~$100 NZD. It would take ~20 years for heat pump to recover install cost alone.


I find that surprising - I'm only slightly north of Lithuania, and the seasonality of solar panels makes them pretty ineffective in the winter, and especially in the pre-dawn when you want to bring the house back up to temperature.

(when I had the instrumentation hooked up for a year: https://flatline.org.uk/daystats.html )


You can sell power to grid and get it back at a reasonable spread. Although I'm sure that's not going to be so lucrative in future.

As a Kiwi (now in UK) NZ doesn't get that cold for that long...mostly just wet, unless you're pretty far south.

In UK/other parts of Europe winter gets colder, lasts much longer, humid the entire time (so heat just escapes all over the place). Plus, the buildings here are a lot older - I think upgrading insulation would make a huge difference this side of the world.

I couldn't even imagine Canada. Almost moved there...decided to stay here. No -20c winters for me ty very much.


a cap-and-trade system is just a tax but more complicated and less predictable


I think it's impossible to calculate at this stage since there're no fusion power plants which actually produce net power.


True, but we've built tokamaks and we're building ITER, which so far has an estimated price of between $45 billion and $65 billion.

Now of course that's a research reactor full of experiments and instrumentation that wouldn't be part of a normal power plant, but given current experience that I think we can expect we won't suddenly knock down the cost to $100M. It's going to be somewhere in the billions. And we have expectations of that DEMO is going to make 750MWe.

We can then plug those estimates into the calculator and basically figure out how cheap and how powerful a fusion reactor has to be for it to make economical sense.


Part of that cost is from ITER being so huge, which is because they use obsolete superconductors. CFS is doing the same thing in a reactor a tenth as big, using newer superconductors that support stronger magnetic fields.

The size and also the complicated governance have made ITER very slow to build, which also increases expense. The JET tokamak is about the size of the reactor CFS is building, and JET was built in a year for the reactor itself, plus three years before that for the building they put it in.


I think a lot of the cost is custom parts. Standardization and economy of scale would bring the price down quite a bit.


If that happens it will still take decades.

It took us a lot of time to standardize computers. We made lots of weird architectures before things settled down.


The market never went that way with fission (except France?). What would be the difference with fusion?


China is building a lot of coal power plants


Their coal generation decreased last year. They're building on the order of 70GW of new coal while they decomission or underutilized more than 70GW of pre-existing coal. Meanwhile they installed 450GW of new renewables energy.


They also consume half of all coal consumed globally per year. They are in no way a green economy.


Not relevant to the question of which energy source makes sense to build in the year 2026. But sure China has many coal plants left over from 2003 when renewables was more expensive, nobody would dispute that this is a fact, however irrelevant.


tokyo is cheaper than most cities relatively to the average income but you have to consider the fact that many apartments are like 20 - 30 m^2


I doubt recommendations will change anything unless it's an actual law that forces companies to offer remote work.


Recommendations are for the countries to implement measures.


Can batteries store enough energy for dunkelflaute in winter? I don't think it's possible with the current technology.


Batteries are not appropriate for dealing with Dunkelflauten. There's very little energy flowing through there, so what you want to do is trade lower round trip efficiency for lower capex. The high capex of batteries is best amortized over many charge/discharge cycles, for example for daily storage.


I mean, who cares? Fire up the gas plants in the one week a year you have weather anomalies. We’d still be 90+% carbon free which would be incredible. The last gap can be solved at a later point as technology evolves


And replacing the natural gas burned in those turbines with hydrogen won't be very expensive, since they will be used so infrequently. Storing energy as hydrogen is much cheaper than storing it in batteries, as measured by cost of storage of capacity.


My friend, renewables only have a capacity factor of .1 (10%). That means those "gas plants" (really coal, and the worst quality coal on the planet too) are running 90% of the time. There is a reason why France's grid makes 7x the power for the same CO2 emissions as Germany.


A single energy source having a capacity factor of 10% does not imply that gas plants will have to run 90% of the time.

It ignores storage, over-provisioning, aggregation of uncorrelated sources etc.

Not to mention that wind typically has a much higher capacity factor than 10%.

I don't know what the true number is, but I think this is a low effort take.


Wind turbines across a whole region you'd be looking at 30% maybe 35% or even 40% if they're off-shore. Off-shore the winds aren't slowed by all the random structures humans build but also the turbines are much taller and as your elevation increases the reliability of the wind increases.

PV it varies by how far you are from the equator, 10% is realistic for a Northern country like the UK or Germany whereas in Africa you might see 25% or even 30%


It's not. Germany would need an insane amount, about 3twh based on recent data and much more looking at 30y weather data


Batteries can store as much energy as you are willing to buy.


I see an increasing number of chinese cars where I live in Europe. Though almost none of them are fully electric ones (BEVs here have different licence plates), they're plug-in hybrids at best.


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