In my own (admittedly limited) experience, 2 employees in my company (that had no programming knowledge or experience) have vibe coded apps that simplify their daily roles. The apps basically automate a flowchart of steps where multiple people need to submit certain pieces of info and as they do, a "project" moves through stages and the employees get notified on Telegram.
The app really is just several simple forms with some if/else logic, but claude code allowed them to get the app up and running and deployed on vercel's free tier, and it's Good Enough™ to save them an hour or so each day lost in messaging and chasing up things.
I don't think anyone would ever have targeted an app for sale to them, and it would have been hard to twist some sort of flow management app and integrate it with Zapier or something to handle external api calls. With claude code they could just tell it what they wanted and solve their very niche issue. That's why I think that even though LLM coding has improved so much you might not see more software for sale - it's easier for people to just...make their own software.
The best part of this workflow - which I see often - is that by having someone build custom software to automate some process they often step back away from the process being their job. That eventually translates into them understanding that some (or sometimes most or all) of that process is not needed. There are so many corporate processes that were implemented and then become the way... and if there are people who identify that process as being their job those people resist attempts to optimize that process.
I have seem several people use AI to write apps to automate a process and along they way finally ask the question 'do we even need this process?'.
Don’t get me wrong, :) that’s pretty cool! I’ve also made highly personalized mini apps for my own personal life. Currently working on an iOS one to log mood and correlate it with HealthKit data since the native health app does a bad job of it.
That said, I meant more like production grade apps that have to serve N>1, which is IME where the hard part LLMs suck at comes in. I saw a tweet somewhere along the lines of “CEOs/execs are so divorced from the last mile effort that they are uniquely susceptible to believing AI can replace engineers end to end”
Also, they have done a good job shutting down the psychotic behavior you could get from 4o era models. If there are remaining issues like that they ought to fix them too.
If you're into finance or you're entering into it you should definitely know him. Google him. Watch his lectures. You can learn a lot from him even if you disagree.
I didn't say the flaming and and hyperbole etc. is okay, obviously threats aren't okay a million times over, but saying they're all so unhinged is using the over-the-top stuff to dismiss the valid criticism, expressed in valid ways.
If I said something nasty stuff about the critics in that thread, about how they're suffering from AI derangement syndrome and the things I want to do to them, could they then use that to dismiss any criticism of them, and talk about how those AI bros are all violent lunatics? Of course not, and that goes both ways.
Fair enough, and thanks. It probably would have helped if the initial post were a more level headed (and polite) collection of regressions, maybe discussions/investigations of them, basically things that some people posted on HN and in the GH thread.
But something with a different tone got posted first, and now it all goes there. Which sucks, but using either types of comments to dismiss (or defend) the other is kind of pernicious. We don't have to "agree with one side" in bulk, in fact that is rarely correct I'd say. (I'm not saying this as if you disagree, just re-iterating I guess)
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