Self-Driving is not even released yet, prove me wrong otherwise. What you're attempting to quote are forward looking statements. Maybe you need to read the document you linked, slowly this time.
I don't have to prove anything, I know they're not flat out lying [0], they're just misleading. Many drivers (ask the dead) are/were under the impression that the car can drive itself. And Tesla doesn't do much to make this distinction clear.
[0] Except for the "we'll have it next year" bit. That's just to get a little more cashflow, pretty sure not even Musk expects to have FSD ready "next year" unless it's a perpetual "next year".
You can’t just make bold claims and not back them up... Makes you look imprudent.
> Many drivers (ask the dead) are/were under the impression that the car can drive itself.
Everytime you engage Autosteer. You get a warning that says “Always keep your hands on the steering wheel” and “Be prepared to take over at any time”.
More importantly, each driver assistance update also explicitly state the capabilities and you HAVE to toggle them on. No where in the car UX or manual even suggests that it can “drive itself”.
I think it’s you have the wrong impression. Unless you’re speaking anecdotally, which is I highly doubt.
> You can’t just make bold claims and not back them up
That's not how the burden of proof works. Tesla is claiming the following:
> All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances.
> The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions.
Where is the proof of that? The suggestion is that everything is in place short of regulatory approval. And it's always "next year". The result is this [0]. People genuinely believing and insisting that car can drive itself. The result is the only driver fatalities while autonomously driving were in a Tesla.
Do you see how people interpret this as "well it's there but you know, pesky regulators want to delay it by testing and stuff". If the vast swaths of internet commenters and drivers that can no longer provide an opinion is not proof enough that the statements are misleading I don't know what is [0] (again). You may see through them but it doesn't make them less misleading. That whole page is designed to give an inflated impression of the state and capabilities of the system regardless of consequences.
Other manufacturers have at least equally capable hardware and software but none make these claims, because they are misleading and will cause deaths.
What would you think if someone sold you a mobile phone claiming it's able to crack any encryption no matter how strong? Of course it might take longer than the lifetime of the universe but hey, it is possible. Not lying, just misleading. So wanna buy a phone?
> People genuinely believing and insisting that car can drive itself. The result is the only driver fatalities while autonomously driving were in a Tesla.
This is hilariously false. Do you really want to prove this? Go on the teslamotorsclub.com forums or teslamotors subreddit and ask actual owners if they think the car can “drive itself”.
Link the post and I will PayPal you $1,000 if you’re right. Because at this point you’re just going around in circles.
It’s hard to discuss these things when both sides don’t have all the facts.
Just as a basic background for what happens, please try this: sit in a recent Tesla, engage autopilot, and read what it says on the screen. Also try ignoring the advice the screen gives you (pretend you didn’t read the “fine” print as you call it, and see what happens when you try to let the car drive with no input.)
> It’s hard to discuss these things when both sides don’t have all the facts.
Just as a basic background for what happens, please try this: sit in a recent Tesla, engage autopilot, and read what it says on the screen.
My point exactly. Yet he seem to have pretty stong and absolute (albeit skewed) opinions. A true armchair quarterback.
Unless the dashboard tells me why the Tesla website and marketing (not to mention its CEO) make all the false/misleading claims I don’t think we need to talk about anything else.
> Unless the dashboard tells me why the Tesla website and marketing (not to mention its CEO) make all the false/misleading claims I don’t think we need to talk about anything else.
Honest question. Do you have a short position on the stock?
Were they? As I said (I'll say again it but slower) Tesla is the only manufacturer with multiple driver fatalities while "self driving". Plus the countless crashes with no fatalities.
Either the description of the Autopilot's capabilities is misleading making drivers assume it's more capable, or drivers with severe comprehension issues are over represented among Tesla drivers, to the point where they actually kill themselves. The car or the driver have a problem. You pick.
> Tesla is the only manufacturer with multiple driver fatalities while "self driving". Plus the countless crashes with no fatalities.
Again it's pretty obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about here. That statement is not only grossly false but also ignorant (seem like a theme with your comments). For one, autopilot features are really just glorified Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) and Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC).
They are one for the umpteenth time NOT "self-driving" any Tesla owner knows this (prove me wrong otherwise my $1K offer still stands). There are ZERO indications that even remotely suggests that the car is "self-driving.
From the moment you take delivery and they show you the features of the car, to turning on each individual driver assist features and actually engaging TACC and LKAS. Zero, nada, none. So stop saying this. Go find any Tesla owner discussion group/forum on the internet and ask actual owners. You will quickly see how wrong your assumptions are.
More importantly, TKAS and LKAS have been around for a while now and the only significant difference with Tesla's version is the auto lane change functionality.
Below are just a few other safety systems that have TKAS and LKAS:
1. Honda Sensing
2. Toyota Safety Sense™ (TSS)
3. AcuraWatch
3. Some Mercedes Benz vehicles with the Driver Assistance Package
There have been plenty of fatalities with these systems as well. But guess what? you don't see them in the news.
Some Tesla owners on reddit even talked about the differences with these systems from their anecdotal experiences and found that Tesla's implementation was better (these are actual owners not marketing BS). i.e. Some won't even give any visual/audible warnings when disengaging.
Self-Driving is not even released yet, prove me wrong otherwise. What you're attempting to quote are forward looking statements. Maybe you need to read the document you linked, slowly this time.