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Get your money off crypto.com immediately (twitter.com/marionawfal)
62 points by Victerius on Nov 13, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 54 comments


I wonder how many of these scams need to happen for people to realize this tech isn't a good idea unless you're the one ripping people off.

Do people need to see stronger negative associations than losing all of your money?

Maybe Bitcoin ads should be placed right next to vape pens and cigarettes in convenience stores for people to get the idea, or maybe by casinos?

Maybe Amway should come up with its own NFTs and start marketing to men, too?


You're conflating a bunch of different things here. The main issue being discussed right now is: storing your crypto on exchanges is risky, so don't do it.


Not true.

His cigarette comparison is spot on.

After all you also need to read and sign that you have knowledge when opening a brokerage account too.

We are a safe society. Sane default is build (more or less) so lifing is safe for us.

Do I need a warning label that cereal (plenty of them) are just sugar treats? I don't clearly plenty others do.


>> Do I need a warning label that cereal (plenty of them) are just sugar treats?

Yes, and put them in generic brown bag please.


The funny thing is that this has nothing to do with tech. The crypto supporters/investors should know better but I guess just giving the money to someone to double it is easier than actually using tech and/or developing valuable stuff on that tech.


Exchanges have nothing to do with blockchains. They are totally a separate thing.


'Totally separate' is basically untrue. For the vast majority of users they're the only on- and off-ramp for major blockchains.


Exchanges exist because it turns out blockchain is terribly inefficient for transacting. There's all kinds of legitimate economic activity that's too expensive to do on chain.


No they exist because people want to exchange coins on a centralized system, or exchange coins back to government controlled financial system, like a bridge.

Blockchain is far from the most efficient system, but you can't deny how it offered a zero-trust way to garantie value.


In other words, blockchain is only useful for solving toy problems totally separate from any real systems or needs.


Yes, toy problems if you lives your entire life in country which has trustable banks, stable governments and the ability to transfer and receive money easily.


If you live in a country with not stable government, banks and currency like Argentina, you use dollars. Blockchain is for toy problems only.


If you can get them. Which you can't if you are under sanctions, and nobody likes that the entire financial world is controlled by single entity.


RAI exists for all use cases that require a currency with low volatility. Anyone who buys Bitcoin, etc is just a speculator expecting others to increase the value of their cryptocurrency.


Only bitcoin has this problem, all other cryptocurrencies have much more throughput than a few kilobytes per second.

Even if someone doesn't trust an exchange, they can transfer to them, make trades and transfer back out.


In the end it won't matter if everyone loses confidence.


> this tech isn't a good idea

Bitcoin is politically neutral. Wall Street isnt.


I think upon casual reading, one finds that is not true. The Bitcoin Genesis block contained metadata that suggests otherwise:[1]

"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

I personally don't particularly agree with central banks being a utility of commercial banks, but I also don't believe that creating a digital deflationary asset that cannot allow intermediaries to solve human problems like fraud is the answer.

It seems infantile to me to suggest otherwise.

[1]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block#Coinbase


> It seems infantile to me to suggest otherwise.

Nice way to preemptively disregard any comment that might suggest otherwise.

But it's a good point with the "solving human problems" remark - the whole thing tries to avoid human tendencies, while it is meant to solve purely human-made problems.


Nothing about blockchain prevents the amelioration of fraud, just like nothing about cash prevents it all the same.

You can very simply devise an insurance contract that compensates you for any such losses you incur.

Of course such an insurance is expensive, so most people wouldn't do it, but it's certainly possible.


Although I understand and upvoted I think the response is nuanced

This is a good read:

The Blocksize War: The Battle Over Who Controls Bitcoin's Protocol Rules https://g.co/kgs/4axiTg


Okay let's talk to the average American on HN.

Your point (if it even has much value) does not affect them. US banks and stocks are strictly better than BTC as a place to park their USD as American citizens. Unless they wanna gamble.


> US banks and stocks are strictly better than BTC as a place to park their USD as American citizens.

Not when a simple letter from government gets your accounts seized incorrectly. Gigantic problem to get the funds back without high-priced legal help. Yet bitcoin has not been seized from me.


How can it be politically neutral when it has a builtin monetary policy?


Bitcoin has anti censor mechanics. It's definitely not political neutral.

And independent of if Bitcoin is or not: the 'how it's used' matters because the theory matters less.


> Bitcoin has anti censor mechanics.

While people like to claim there is some anti-censor magic, it's not really true when block space is full. There is nothing in the code to penalize miners for ignoring a particular transaction for weeks or forever.


I'm referencing the core idea of it being decentralized and "anonymous"


A public ledger is not really anonymous, whether you put that in quotes or not. It can be censored, and this is a difficult game theory problem to solve. There are a few major mining pools which build the blocks, and some think that is not decentralized.

Bitcoin was an amazing advancement and I hope it can grow into solving some of these apparent challenges.


Crypto.com was advertised incessantly during major Australian sporting games. Mainstream cryptocoin corporations have clearly targeted low-information consumers and it’s an indictment on our society that this advertising wasn’t regulated out of existence around 2018.

So many Australians are going to lose savings they really need. Thank god at least for superannuation, the actual wealth building project they should be throwing their money into.


Hopefully no super funds were dumb enough to get involved with this stuff.


Eeeehhhhhhhhhh........ Ontario Teacher Pension lost about $95 million USD in the FTX fiasco and the Canadian Pension Fund lost roughly $99 million USD when Celsius got shut down.

Granted the investment is small compared to their entire portfolio; the Ontario Teacher pension is $221 billion CAD in assets, and the CPP is $551 billion CAD in assets. So it's not a disaster, but still kind of annoying.


Australians are going to lose far more of their wealth to housing than crypto. But yeah crypto is trash.

Edit: lol immediately downvoted. Guess parent is in on the scam that is Australian housing.


You can't downvote replies to your comments on HN.


You can live in housing, you can’t live in Crypto.


I do wonder how this crypto implosion will impact inflation and the average consumer. Crypto continues to have a ginormous market cap of > 800B. But it's unclear how much of this is due to shady schemes and wash trading propping up the price. If crypto went down by 95%, what would happen to the economy? Would the ripple effects trigger another financial crisis? These are questions that it would be nice to not have to find out the answer to, but they may be answered soon anyway.


Crypto.com's CRO ponzicoin is in freefall: https://i.imgur.com/sJZBv5n.jpeg


Ponzicoin should be word of the year 2022! Thank you!


I'm expecting all exchange coins to go to zero


https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1591853036208803840

Related: 400m from crypto.com was misplaced earlier this week.


This claim, while I agree, is so far based on nothing. Be careful making these statements.


Be careful of what?

A viral “bank run” is the ultimate fitness test of these black-box centralized exchanges, and if an exchange has underlying issues it’s better that they be found out sooner rather than later.


If people are going to buy crypto they should just buy Bitcoin on the Cash App or Coinbase (ETH as well there). Everything else is likely going to zero.


Monero is the only cryptocurrency I’ve seen that tries to actually be a currency instead of an investment vehicle. Unfortunately, it’s still too volatile to keep any money in.


Regardless of where it should be immediately placed in your own wallet.


> or Coinbase

lol if anything, FTX has established that you should not put your coins anywhere. Which is a lesson that should have been learned almost a decade ago.


You have to buy it somewhere. I guess you could mine your own Bitcoin.


My point is that once you buy it, you withdraw it immediately.


With a bit of timing, this will implode in time for Re:invent. Last year Crypto.com had purchased a display across the entire front of Resorts World, something I can’t imagine was cheap!


I'm not sure that dude knows what confidentially means.


Serious question: the burn off in crypto should theoretically help with fiat inflation, correct? The Fed prints, and crypto evaporates.


any risk assets losing a ton of value would minimize the wealth effect but a lot of crypto holders were hoarding their coins and not spending so maybe not that much


also its not that much actual cash that went into the crypto hole as the M2M valuation


Beautiful to observe this happening from a socio-economic complexity point of view.


It's not money any more, it's simply numbers on somebody else's computer. LOL




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