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Now think what Lavrenti Beria and an LLM could have done with that.


Somebody once said that if Stalin had access to television, he would never have to kill 20+ million ppl. What would he do with all that data? No idea.


If all you've got is full political power and control over propaganda networks, your won't get the USSR. You'll get Hungary between 2010 and 2026. It works well, but in the critical moments when things start going wrong you need to kill people to maintain power, or else your nascent autocracy collapses as quick as Orban's.

I'm no fun of Stalin, but this meme about 20+ million victims needs to be purged.

"The scholarly consensus affirms that archival materials declassified in 1991 contain irrefutable data far superior to sources used prior to 1991, such as statements from emigres and other informants.

Before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher. After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953), around 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag, some 390,000[ deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s, with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories. According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were "purposive" while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility. The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 are sometimes included with the victims of the Stalin era." [0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_...


lol naturally the criminals were obsessed with honestly keeping comprehensive official records of their misdeeds

> I'm no fun of Stalin

I would argue for the generality of this characterization


Only thing better to rule with is a network connected telescreen that monitors and issues orders to the proles.


So Instagram and TikTok?

The party needs a modern alternative to FauxNews to manipulate the youth. They've already sunk their claws into TikTok.

Please kill me first

Pretty sure it would be hard to enslave these people through television


Would it be? I'd argue the current US administration is entirely propped up by television. Hell, the president seems to "rule" based on what Fox News said last night.


A slightly different and no more charitable perspective is that the people pulling the president's strings are the same people pulling Fox News's strings.


Never saw the current US administration shipping people to labor camps with a single winter life expectancy

What is the life expectancy in CECOT?

Let's see, during Stalin's Rule 18 million people went through forced labor camps and roughly 10% died, around 1.8 million

Let's add around 5 million for man made famine, and probably a 2 million for arbitrary executions and deportations, while many estimate the full death count as between 15-20 million

As far I can understand the top range of estimates for CECOT, which is a non American facility, are that 500 died, of around imprisoned 20,000 inmates. So the scale is a bit... different

I think the issue here is that contrary to popular belief, not every wrong thing is the same


Death rates are particularly hard to compare because part of the idea of El Salvador's system is that people are expected to die there - there is no release policy - yet most of them are young healthy men recently detained.

If we just look at incarceration rates:

CECOT is one facility, but around 2% of El Salvador's population has been imprisoned by Bukele's operation.

In 1950 the USSR had a population of around 180 million, and the gulag system was at its height with a population of 2.5 million, very similar.

The US prison system has been around 1% from the peak of the War On Drugs until recent fads in liberalized sentencing, currently holding at 0.7%, one of the highest in the world if you exclude ethnic purges like Xinjiang or Gaza.


Imagine how lost your morale compass needs to be to defend Stalin because you don't like Trump.

Apart for the fact that people were released from El Salvador system, the population percentage is wrong for El Salvador, USSR and US, the difference between slavery camps and a penal system, Gaza not being a prison.

But what are you really saying, that the 200-500 dead in El Salvador, most non associated with Trump, makes Trump equivalent with Stalin's 15 million dead? Does that make sense?


I'm not sure you're replying to the right person. I didn't make that claim. I tried to provide meaningful numerical context of mass incarceration.

You state that I have errors - could you point them out?


Ever seen entire countries of people locked up in their homes within a week — for months?



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