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> Cat's themselves are not very sanitary. Better than rats, sure, but they are a source of toxoplasmosis

Hyperbole and toxoplasmosis go well together.

In particular: it's a limited time window when an infected feline could transmit toxoplasmosis. It can be dangerous to pregnancies, or immuno-compromised individuals.

Most humans (and other beings) aren't pregnant or immunocompromised, but the drama of the topic gets clicks, so it's a meme of sorts, and it resurfaces every six months or so in the news as if a revelation.

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> Most humans (and other beings) aren't pregnant or immunocompromised

Just because pregnant and immuno-compromised people are in the minority, it's not a big deal?


You don't get toxoplasmosis from touching a cat. You get it from touching cat feces and then ingesting it. The most common avenue of infection (in the US at least) is consuming raw or undercooked meat. Considering when my wife was pregnant, she asked our Doctor about it. His recommendation was she should not be the one to clean the litter box. So yeah, avoid cat feces and if you can't wash your hands. We don't need to get rid of cats. Also make sure the meat you eat is cooked properly.

"We don't need to get rid of cats. Also make sure the meat you eat is cooked properly."

I'd rather not eat cats at all, so cooking them properly doesn't enter into it.


Additionally, I can't imagine being blase about gaining parasites just because you're not pregnant or immunocompromised.

no one is being blase : we're immersed in a biological world teeming with such critters...and we exist through evolutionary adaptation to such. for fun, check out mites around eyelashes, for an innocuous example.

The solution isn't get rid of cats, it's don't lick your hands after changing the litter box. Especially since cat feces isn't the most common source. Under cooked meat is.

You’ve likely already got many critters living in an on you.

Not all of those give you brain lesions.

it's a big deal for some, but not for all individuals, is the point clearly made.

Well you wrote "Hyperbole and toxoplasmosis go well together". It's not "hyperbole" to care about others, however few they are, even though you yourself might not be at risk, right?

But I don't mean to be confrontational. I understand that it is probably annoying to hear toxoplasmosis talked about like it is black death.


A third of the entire human population is infected with toxoplasmosis, in some places nearly every human.

If you put humans in a sterile bubble you get a different set of diseases, to a considerably greater degree because your immune system evolved in an environment where you actually got infections.


> A third of the entire human population is infected with toxoplasmosis, in some places nearly every human.

So if it is often harmful to some extent in people who do not show severe symptoms, then it is a terrible disease that causes widespread harm. There is evidence it causes lesser, but possibly significant harm, in far more people than is generally recognised:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2526142/


By that logic, we shouldn't be fighting malaria in Africa either.

Are there any benefits to toxoplasmosis besides some people finding the vector cute? The alternative isn't living in a sterile bubble.


That's not a great comparison. Malaria is dangerous to almost everyone it infects, while T. gondii is harmless to the vast majority of the human race.

Without infections your immune system gets bored and starts attacking you. You need to have something for your immune system to do on a regular basis. Toxo is to a very large degree asymptomatic. You are full of and covered with organisms. Being paranoid about infection isn't helpful to anyone. Ok you don't like cats, that's fine, but are you as passionate about rare steak which is a much more common vector?

Malaria... is not asymptomatic.


You will have plenty of exposure to microbes simply by existing outside of a sealed sterile chamber, and microbes != pathogens. There's no need to encourage exposure to and infection by pathogens, and this idea often results in increased risk or severity of disease. See: "chickenpox party" intentional exposure of children to varicella, putting them at risk of shingles as adults, with the risk increasing the younger they are at the time of infection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis?useskin=vec...


>There's no need to encourage exposure to and infection by pathogens, and this idea often results in increased risk or severity of disease.

Here's research into intentional infection with a parasite to treat autoimmune diseases

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5401880/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Friends_hypothesis


Cats spend between 30-50% of their waling hours to grooming themselves. Cats are extremely clean. Pick one up and smell its fur. What do you smell? Nothing.

> In particular: it's a limited time window when an infected feline could transmit toxoplasmosis. It can be dangerous to pregnancies, or immuno-compromised individuals.

> Most humans (and other beings) aren't pregnant or immunocompromised, but the drama of the topic gets clicks, so it's a meme of sorts, and it resurfaces every six months or so in the news as if a revelation.

I already addressed this. It's one thing if you keep an cat in your home and can manage the risks. It's another thing entirely as some unknown variable in a cramped public store.


It is most likely to cause severe symptoms and obvious damage in pregnancy and to immunocompromised people but it may cause harm to others too.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2526142/

> Most humans (and other beings) aren't pregnant or immunocompromised

So we do not need to vaccinate against rubella either? most people are not disabled so we do not need wheelchair ramps? Most people are not sick at any given time so we do not need hospitals?




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