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Your comment echoes my own sentiments.

I've been shooting for almost 25 years, and invested lots of money into 35mm cameras and lenses. To replace my equipment with digital equivalents would cost many thousands of dollars. Also, I feel like film photography requires one to slow down and think more while shooting, a benefit that isn't readily apparent to every user, but (for me) results in much better photographs.



I've been shooting for almost 25 years, and invested lots of money into 35mm cameras and lenses. To replace my equipment with digital equivalents would cost many thousands of dollars.

I feel compelled to point out for passers by that this is not really completely true: very few 35mm lens formats are wholly incompatible with modern digital bodies, and most support graceful degradation for things like autofocus. However, the crushing truth is that older optics are often insufficient for modern digital full frame sensors. A normal f/1.8 50mm plastic-fantastic Canon lens will give you sharper resolving power 90% of the time than an older equivalent, and only costs $100. Sure, you lose something in bokeh, but that's often irrelevant. Also, there are many compelling technologies that have emerged in lenses recently that are very useful for realistic shooting scenarios: stronger autofocus, quieter operation, better anti-flare coatings, lighter construction, superior per-image documentation (eg. specific zoom lens position recording in EXIF), ability to immediately shift between a far broader range of sensitivities than film and shoot confidently in near-dark, etc. You get none of that staying still, even though the benefits of equipment familiarity should never be understated. Where film does shine is resolution with good optics and larger (>35mm) formats, and dynamic range (though this will come under threat soon, and cannot match multi-exposure HDR).


All of these things are true, but to get good quality glass for a new digital camera would cost much more than I have to spend. I can also get very high quality glass for obsolete cameras for next to nothing.

I'm not a film apologist - digital is awesome, and for most use cases, superior. If I were a working photographer, I'd definitely be shooting digital. For artistic photography though, on a hobbyist level, I'm fine with film. When I need a digital camera, I have a pretty decent sensor built into my phone that I can use.


I don't understand why you can't use old glass on a new digital body?

The only 'problem' is that the smaller sensor means that the old glass is effectively longer. In practice it means that some of the old glass gives beautiful results because you are only using the centre part of the lens, resulting in less distortion.


You can sometimes use old glass, but there are a lot of downsides. A lot of modern cameras put image stabilization in the lens. Old lenses can't autofocus, and that is crippling on some cameras. Also some meters and sensors don't necessarily work with the old lenses.


> I don't understand why you can't use old glass on a new digital body?

While certain of the new digital bodies are compatible with certain older film bodies and can use the same lenses and accessories, that's not universally the case, AFAIK.


As a rule, new DSLRs by major manufacturers (Canon, Nikon) can use the old lenses of the brand. Not always all of them, but an impressive amount of them.

Even the newest Nikon cameras can use F-mount lenses from 1959. Some of the metering modes are not available in some or all cameras. Some cheaper digital cameras cannot autofocus with lenses that don't have built-in autofocus motor.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm

Canon DSLRs can use old EF lenses (since 1987).

Olympus OM lenses (since 1972) can be mounted to Olympus (and other) Four Thirds cameras using an adapter.

Also, ancient M42 lenses (since 1949) can be connected to most modern DSLRs using adapters.


> Some cheaper digital cameras cannot autofocus with lenses that don't have built-in autofocus motor.

Unless the camera system had autofocus in the body (which, as far as I've been experienced with, really only is medium format bodies) the lens always has had autofocus. Canon, Nikon etc.

The problem is that a lot of adapters for old lenses only feed mechanical (if even) instructions to the lens, for aperture and the like, and don't send over autofocus instructions.

Luckily manual focus will work just fine.


Nikon lenses have only had autofocus motors since about ~2000 (which is not a long time ago in terms of lenses).

Nikon's compatibility with old lenses is quite stunning. They did one major change to their mount in the 70s but every mid-range or highrr camera since then has had 100% compatibility with any lens. Metering, aperture control, everything. The AF system still works too. You just have to use your hand as the AF motor and the camera will give you an indication when it thinks focus is correct.


Nikon AF lenses (which came to market in 1986) don't have built-in autofocus motor; the motor is in the camera body. Those days they were the film cameras, but also modern DSLR cameras have the motor (with the exception of cheapest consumer DLRs, i.e. the D3000 and D5000 series).


On the flip-side, as a person who has been doing cinematography for some time and has spent thousands on equipment over the years, I can say I would have never got into photography and cinematography if it wasn't digital.

Nothing about the experience of developing film sounds interesting to me.

Would you mind sharing other subtle nuances of shoot on film vs digital?


Digital is WAAAY easier to get started on, no doubt. It's also much easier to learn the basics of composition and exposure. Unbelievably so! You can "develop" your images in microseconds.

With film you have to supplement a lot of what's achievable in digital via guessing and checking with careful thought. You also have many fewer opportunities to get the shot right before you exhaust your film and probably blow the moment replacing it.

This makes film into a forcing function to perform excellent technique and to pre-visualize your shot. This creates better technique.

It's also nice that film has a very high effective resolution (when drum scanned), that film grain is a favorable aesthetic right now (it was usually considered ugly before digital), and that film has a logarithmic response to light meaning that it can handle a wider dynamic range than digital.


The logarithmic response to light is the first non-emotional benefit to film photography I have seen in these discussions. Thanks for pointing that out.


What's wrong with emotional benefits? I cherish the fact that I experience emotions and the richness they bring to my life.


Emotional benefits don't really help me understand the difference between film and digital. It seems too anecdotal of an experience for me to take it seriously. Might be me though...


For better and worse, photography is largely an artistic endeavor. Finding emotional appeal is a big part of that.

On the other hand, scientific imaging is definitely something where non-emotional performance matters and I doubt people use film for any kind of scientific work these days.


There's nothing wrong with emotional benefits or discussing them, this is just notable as an objective difference in the mediums.


> film has a logarithmic response to light meaning that it can handle a wider dynamic range than digital.

Not sure if that situation still exists in DV but for digital photography that stopped being true a long time ago (the balance started shifting almost 10 years ago), most digital sensors support more stops than even the best brands of film.


I went and looked it up to be sure and yeah, looks like empirically I'm off base with the dynamic range question.

That said, subjectively I still feel that way. It might have something to do with digital noise and how the experience of actually witnessing different exposures feels between the two media.


I can appreciate where you're coming from.

I see a lot of photographers starting out not learning the craft. Some of the convenience of digital can reinforce bad habits. You can shoot a thousand photos in a few minutes, switching between a bunch of modes and options that you don't truly understand, and inevitably get a few decent photos. This isn't a fault of digital, it's just human behavior. I think for this reason, a lot of schools are still using film when teaching photography.

As an artist, I have a use for both digital and film photography. There's something about the way film feels, and the way the process of shooting film makes me feel, that makes me enjoy it so much more. My old Pentax cameras are very substantial, physical objects. The shutter opens and closes, and you can feel it - it's a physical act. Digital cameras don't have the same physicality about them. I still use both digital and film, they each have their own advantages to me and have their place.


Speaking as someone who did lots of film photography over many years. I was actually pretty interested in cinematography back when I was school but the the technical/financial hurdles just turned me off. Super-8 or early videocams with huge battery backs. What I would have given for even a small P&S or cameraphone of today.

Darkroom work was rewarding in its own way (for B&W). But, honestly, it was always a means to an end. I knew people who would spend all day making the perfect print. I never had that kind of patience.


There's definitely a balance. Smartphones have opened a huge world of possibilities that were otherwise inaccessible. I'm amazed that people are shooting feature films on smartphones - that's truly exciting!

I'm not one for strong opinions either way, I think there's a place for film photography and also for digital, and I like both.


I enjoy B&W film photography as a hobby. I do not think I would enjoy any sort of film cinematography, due to the larger scale. A 24 frame roll of photo film is one thing but a reel of cinema film is another!




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